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  1. Dear brother,

    The ascension was in fact not physical at all. If you read ahadith regarding this ascension, it is abundantly clear that the prophets was in lying close to the Kaa’ba when this event took place. Alos, please remember that sahaba(ra) were always close to the Prophet(saw) and NONE of them narrated seeing the Prophet(saw) ascend physically. If he had, this would have been a dramatic and well documented event from the sahabas perspective.. dont you think?

    There are several hadith on this and I am pasting one of them:

    Anas b. Malik reported on the authority of Malik b. Sa sa’, perhaps a person of his tribe, that the Prophet of Allah (may peace be upon him) said: I was near the House (i. e. Ka’bah) in a state between sleep and wakefulness when I heard someone say: He is the third among the two persons. Then he came to me and took me with him. Then a golden basin containing the water of Zamzam was brought to me and my heart was opened up to such and such (part). Qatada said: I asked him who was with me (i e. the narrator) and what he meant by such and such (part). He replied: (It means that it was opened) up to the lower part of his abdomen (Then the hadith continues): My heart was extracted and it was washed with the water of Zamzam and then it was restored in its original position, after which it was filled with faith and wisdom. I was then brought a white beast which is called al-Buraq, bigger than a donkey and smaller than a mule. Its stride was as long as the eye could reach. I was mounted on it, and then we went forth till we reached the lowest heaven. Gabriel asked for the (gate) to be opened, and it was said: Who is he? He replied: Gabriel. It was again said: Who is with thee? He replied: Muhammad (may peace be upon him). It was said: Has he been sent for? He (Gabriel) said: Yes. He (the Prophet) said: Then (the gate) was opened for us (and it was said): Welcome unto him! His is a blessed arrival. Then we came to Adam (peace be upon him). And he (the narrator) narrated the whole account of the hadith. (The Holy Prophet) observed that he met Jesus in the second heaven, Yahya (peace be on both of them) in the third heaven, Yusuf in the third, Idris in the fourth, Harun in the fifth (peace and blessings of Allah be upon them). Then we travelled on till we reached the sixth heaven and came to Moses (peace be upon him) and I greeted him and he said: Welcome unto righteous brother and righteous prophet. And when I passed (by him) he wept, and a voice was heard saying: What makes thee weep? He said: My Lord, he is a young man whom Thou hast sent after me (as a prophet) and his followers will enter Paradise in greater numbers than my followers. Then we travelled on till we reached the seventh heaven and I came to Ibrahim. He (the narrator) narrat- ed in this hadith that the Prophet of Allah (may peace be upon him) told that he saw four rivers which flowed from (the root of the lote-tree of the farthest limits): two manifest rivers and two hidden rivers. I said: ‘ Gabriel! what are these rivers? He replied: The two hidden rivers are the rivers of Paradise, and as regards the two manifest ones, they are the Nile and the Euphrates. Then the Bait-ul-Ma’mur was raised up to me. I said: O Gabriel! what is this? He replied: It is the Bait-ul-Ma’mur. Seventy thousand angels enter into it daily and, after they come out, they never return again. Two vessels were then brought to me. The first one contained wine and the second one contained milk, and both of them were placed before me. I chose milk. It was said: You did right. Allah will guide rightly through you your Ummah on the natural course. Then fifty prayers daily were made obligatory for me. And then he narrated the rest of the hadith to the end. (Muslim, Hadith #0314)

  2. “To highlight the incorrectness of anyone’s beliefs, one does not have to use offensive methods.”

    Poppycock.

    The mere suggestion that a believer’s beliefs are incorrect is usually considered offensive by said believer…

    Are we then to allow ALL beliefs to go unchallenged, unquestioned, uncriticised?

  3. Ascension is not a new thing in the history of Islam and Mankind. It happened with Prophet Essa(Jesus).and Prophet Muhammad was taken into heavens(physically).Allah Testified in the Quran about this in Surah 17. Isra’, The Night Journey
    1. Glory to ((Allah)) Who did take His servant for a Journey by night from the Sacred Mosque to the farthest Mosque, whose precincts We did bless,- in order that We might show him some of Our Signs: for He is the One Who heareth and seeth (all things).
    And this journey was with his body and physical. Muhammad (saw) was the one who bring the Quran and he is telling in authentic Ahadeeth that he did go there physically. And Non of the “sahih ahadeeth” have contradiction or fabrication. Whole of Jordon or Iraq or whole of Arab and rest of Muslim world CONVERTED TO ISLAM because they checked each and every minor detail about Islam. Dont get confused with the Hadith in which he told about the details of a place, its a different thing.
    In short He did went to heavens physically.
    Its really strange that after hundreds of years now there are people who believe that he was taken spiritually. Remember, No one can understand the deen better than the Sahaba of Prophet Muhammad (saw).And they (sahaba) ALL they firmly believed that he was taken physically. And prophet explained all the details about it. Increase your knowledge please before following any wrong cult. Thanks.

  4. dear brother, if u read authentic ahadith, it was a physical ascention…plz be advised that Prophet Mohammad (saw) is not the founder of Islam but he is the last Messenger & Final Prophet of Allah & whoever disagrees with this and the physical ascention then their matter is with Allah

  5. I’m not a scholar, but my take on it is that we’re asked in islam to pray 5 times daily but in fact 5 times is inadequate to pay our dues to God. so the vision says that initially God wanted 50 but eventually it got whittled down to what humans are capable of, ie the message is that we’re not capable of paying our dues to God. moses (as) was the other great law-giver in religious history, so this is a comparator. it also calls to mind the Qur’anic incident of the cow, where the people of moses (as) made all sorts of excuses not to sacrifice the cow, similarly all sorts of excuses were made to reduce the number of prayers. so in a way, this hadith is saying no human is capable of paying full dues to God, but islam does the best job of it. it’s basically reminding us that even islam (the best of religions) does not enable a man to fulfil his obligation to God.

  6. Admin I was eagerly awaiting your ‘reasoned and evidenced argumentation’ response. It is one I give myself and fully believe in. I also believe that the UCLU AHS players believe that their actions are reasonable, they have their evidence to show it is a thought-provoking and -emancipating act, and this ‘humourous satire’ approach by its very definition will rightly offend somebody into change – so they might as well get all the Christians and Muslims in at one go for double-effect.

    I have concluded that each side has stood up for what they believe in what manner they find appropriate. The Muslims managed to do so with dignity and respect towards their opponent. In the process they managed to teach me principles of harmony within society, whereas the atheists only taught me that some people have managed to gain a whole lot of knowledge but somehow skipped the elementary school lesson on how to share. As always, happy to be on Team Islam!

  7. Jazak’Allah khayr. You are right. It is God’s Own task. I was going to say that maybe one day insha’Allah when there are no victims left we can focus on the criminals, but on second thought the day there are no victims will only come when there are no more criminals. May Allah guide us.

  8. Khadim: The Promised Messiah (as) engaged in intellectual discussions about various subjects and people. Certain intellectual debates necessitate that you have to make tough statements which can, at times, cause offence to the proponents of the opposite viewpoint. The important point here is that such discussion is based on reasoned and evidenced argumentation.

    The move by the Atheists Society at UCL is not to be confused with intellectual discourse. It was an intentional move to cause offense or, as I have read elsewhere, an atheist amusement at the expense of the Muslims.Serious debate should be answered, whereas such amusements must be challenged. That is, after all, our right and responsibility.

  9. Are we not already setting a good example? There are atheists who have benefitted from it and become Ahmadi Muslims. You seem to be very keen to see all of them guided. So keen, in fact, that you are willing to have them continue to depict in public the holiest of men and women in demeaning and even obscene ways, just so that they have a chance to keep listening to our words and seeing our example.

    Well, there is a point where you need to draw the line. Guiding them is not your duty, nor mine. It is God’s Own task.

    We are told to uphold goodness and forbid evil, not to sit with people who mock at those we revere. It is by protesting against these vile cartoons that we have given them our example of morality and human values. There is no compromise with such evil-doers. “Turn away from them until they engage in a discourse other than that” is the Qur’anic teaching, and trying to prevent evil with our hands, or if not then with our tongues, and if we are too weak even for that, then to detest it in our hearts, is the commandment of the Holy Prophet Muhammad (s.a.). These cartoons are evil, and they could cause bloodshed by promoting hatred against different groups of people in the world.

    Therefore, we have to try and get them to stop publishing such dangerous material. And we have to voice our protest. I care for the hundreds or thousands of innocent children, women and men who risk getting bombed by materialistic, godless governments who see them as sub-human followers of a “murderous prophet”, far more than I will ever care for the possibility of guidance of those who contribute to such bombings by their demonising cartoons.

    We must care more for the rights of the victims far more than the rights of the criminals.

  10. ‘peace4everynation’ I agree with you, point by point, I agree. These are the rules you and I live by, but who says everyone in this world is goint to follow them? Maybe I should have phrased my question with the added bit – ‘based on the standards we each set for ourselves as a group’. They are promoting their stance using methods they consider acceptable. That is what I meant by us being similar.

    The major religions of the world promote good actions towards your fellow man – decent behaviour such as what you have mentioned above. Then comes the question of whether the follower of any religion is living by these principles. If they are, good news for social harmony.

    When it comes to atheists, the situation is slightly different. Of course there are atheists out there who would not commit such acts out of their inherent decent character. Decent character that they probably consider a product of social evolution, as opposed to what I believe to be a tendency in man instilled by God. On the other hand there are those atheists who rebel against anything they perceive to have a sense of control over them – even this in-built urge for empathy. They consider it fair game to mock something/someone that another reveres, and are willing to accept the ‘right’ of another to mock what they themselves revere.

    The way I see it, who else in this world to commit such acts other than those who reject the idea of a Being greater than themselves? The arrogance of thinking that man-on-earth is the peak of existence (or at least until aliens are discovered!) will lead to people doing whatever they feel they can justify to themselves. How can I apply the rules of moral character I learnt from a messenger of God to a person who doesn’t even believe in God? Yes one can argue that other atheists still live by similar rules that they accept as evolved normal social ettiquette, but not all will. In such a case, my two options are to completely ignore said person until they come around to thinking like me, or to engage in conversation with them in their own ‘language’. Not to say that I will start drawing caricatures alongside them, but I feel there is a way to go about it. If we cut off all ties with a person who (for now) finds such cartoons acceptable, then how will they ever get to benefit from our best form of tabligh i.e. get a chance to witness the good example we try to set?

  11. Khadim, I think you need to take a step back and rethink what you’re trying to equate here.

    You’re talking about “the medium used by atheists to spread their message”. Jesus (a.s.) and Muhammad (s.a.) drinking together. What exactly is the message in that? Where is the truth in that? Do you think that this is a message proving the merits of atheism?

    Our message is: God exists; He still speaks to His creatures; He is far, far above human frailty; He is a Rational and Just Being; and we invite the world to verify these claims. How can you equate that with those offensive cartoons?

    Are we really that different? Yes, we are VERY different. If we put up caricatures of Dawkins in Hell, to prove that God exists, then you could equate us to those atheist caricaturists. Or if we wrote a satirical piece on Dawkins going to church and begging a priest to have his sins forgiven, then you could say we were not that different from those atheist caricaturists.

    I truly cannot understand how you can consider us to be in any way similar.

    In principle, nothing we say about the existence of God or of the people He spoke to should offend atheists in any way, for THEY BELIEVE HE DOES NOT EVEN EXIST. If for example someone came up to you and told you that his religion says that all planets are giant Maltesers and their moons are white smarties, why should that offend you? You don’t believe that could ever be true, so you wouldn’t be offended in the least.

    If atheists want to intellectually analyse and rationally debate the teachings of any religion, we are more than willing to take them on. That is part and parcel of our message.

    If instead of that they prefer to depict God and religious leaders in demeaning ways that have nothing to do with reality, knowing that thereby they will offend and hurt billions of people, then that is a totally different matter. We are not prepared to portray their mothers or other dear ones in demeaning cartoons that have nothing to do with reality, in an attempt to prove atheism wrong. We could use our freedom of speech to do that, but our human decency and the beautiful values we have gained from our religion forbid that totally. We are NOT AT ALL like them. We have morals.

    To highlight the incorrectness of anyone’s beliefs, one does not have to use offensive methods. The intellectual debate on the merits or otherwise of different beliefs is far removed from childish cartoons. Caricatures and scientific method are at opposite ends of the spectrum. By resorting to vicious cartoons, these atheists have only shown the baseness of their characters and the darkness of their minds. I know several atheists who are decent people who are not at all like these cartoonists who are behaving like spoilt, selfish brats who don’t care about anyone but themselves, and who, if put in charge of the world, would spread hatred, ruin, destruction and death.

  12. Debate is raging on the recent publication of cartoons of our beloved Prophets. Many of the arguments against this that I have read are to do with living in a harmonious society and avoiding instances of abuse and disrespect towards other people who hold a different viewpoint to one’s own.

    Now, how is one supposed to invite another to Islam without at some point highlighting some of their current beliefs as being incorrect? Telling somebody that what they hold to be true may/will offend them. Certainly the writings of the Promised Messiah (as) regarding historical figures of a number of religions could be offensive to a follower of any one of those faiths at first glance. Why is it acceptable for him (as), and us as the promulgators of his message, to ‘offend’ others? Of course our approach and manner is not one intended to hurt anybody, but the substance of our message may hurt many in their current state of atheism/theism.

    Our medium of choice for spreading our message is jihad of the pen, and speech. The medium used by the atheists to spread their message in this case was caricature art. Are we really that different? We are both inviting others to what we each regard as the Truth.

  13. Assalamu Alaikum,

    This question is on a hadith posted elsewhere on this blog, and concerns the daily prayers being cut down from 50 to 5.


    in a hadith of bukhari
    …………………………Then Allah enjoined fifty prayers on my followers when I returned with this order of Allah, I passed by Moses who asked me, ‘What has Allah enjoined on your followers?’ I replied, ‘He has enjoined fifty prayers on them.’ Moses said, ‘Go back to your Lord (and appeal for reduction) for your followers will not be able to bear it.’ (So I went back to Allah and requested for reduction) and He reduced it to half. When I passed by Moses again and informed him about it, he said, ‘Go back to your Lord as your followers will not be able to bear it.’ So I returned to Allah and requested for further reduction and half of it was reduced. I again passed by Moses and he said to me: ‘Return to your Lord, for your followers will not be able to bear it. So I returned to Allah and He said, ‘These are five prayers and they are all (equal to) fifty (in reward) for My Word does not change.’………….(Book #8, Hadith #345)

    I was first taught this hadith as a child by a non-Ahmadi Muslim who took it to be literal. Some time later I learnt that this was actually a vision. After all, is it conceivable that a Prophet (or two) would question the command of Allah? Now that it has come up again I find myself wondering what the rationale behind the vision is. Why did the Holy Prophet (saw) see that he started with a higher number and finished with a lower number? And why was it Prophet Moses (as) who suggested the reduction? I have found that there is always a greater wisdom that lies behind Qur’anic incidences and ahadith of this nature. Has this been commented on anywhere?

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