I came across the following, information management / damage control, blog post on the Cult today:
”After a recent approach by Al-Jazeera to the team at Thecult.info, today there was an excellent discussion between Akber Choudhry, the representative from the Ahmadiyya Awareness team, and Amjad Khan, a member of the Ahmadiyya religion on Al-Jazeera’s Stream programme. As the discussion progressed, it became clear that the points raised by Mr. Choudhry were causing Mr. Khan to become visibly uncomfortable. Most notably, Mr. Khan repeatedly lied on international TV concerning the following points:
- Mirza Masroor’s banning of individual Ahmadis’ Facebook pages;
- The Ahmadiyya doctrine that Muslims are not Muslims;
- Denying that they routinely associate average Muslims with the worst Islamophobic stereotypes (ie, ‘mullahs’ or ‘terrorists’);
This is the first time in a century that some of the Ahmadiyya beliefs and cult-like practices have been exposed to the full glare of the international media spotlight and faced with the bald facts, Mr. Khan and the Ahmadiyya were caught woefully short. We’re not surprised.”
One of the responses to the above was by a user called ”Setting the Record Straight” which read:
”That’s certainly some spin of how the show went. I’m sure listeners can judge for themselves how “well” it went for the anti-Ahmadi cause.
Mr. Khan called Mr. Chaudhry out on the lie that the Ahmadiyya Community “had banned all social media.” That IS a lie. They haven’t. Even the moderator pointed out how Ahmadis were Tweeting during the program! Mr. Khan said that the Ahmadiyya Community has an official Facebook and Twitter page, which is the truth. He also talked about how individual Facebook accounts have indeed been discouraged because of various security, privacy and other issues, which, too, is the truth. So I’m not really sure I accept the notion that Mr. Khan “lied” about Facebook. That’s a distortion of what was said. You ignore his complete and thorough answer.”
(Don’t take anything I’m about to write for granted as you can see the video for your self at the below link)
The cultists have been flocking onto their blog to talk about how hard done by they were and how the Ahmadi representative was not truthful in his statements. Their response is somewhat pitiful and clearly demonstrates their inability to read a situation exactly as is. Regarding the Ahmadi representative’s response, I think he was completely honest in what he said. The question put to him was regarding the allegation that the head of the Ahmadiyya Muslim Community has barred facebook. He was quite clear and concise in saying that no such ban exists and that members are permitted to open certain types of accounts, but asked not to open individual personal accounts. He then clarified this point by stating that the latter point was in direct response to the fact that a significant number of Ahmadis have been the subjects of various attacks on facebook. I would like to add that there is ample literature out there on the biological, sociological and psychological dangers of social networking in support of the current stance taken by the Ahmadiyya Muslim Jama’at. See the following articles for example:
I even recall listening to a recent Five-Live show (popular English talk radio station) about this subject and there were lots of parents who said that they did not permit their children to sign up to social networking sites due to the inherent social problems involved, which included an increase in bullying and the sexualisation of children. The reality is that many non-Ahmadi Muslim groups and scholars also discourage the use of facebook with some even going so far as to say it is haram on the basis that the Qur’an instructs Muslims not to approach fornication (i.e., temptation that leads to fornication).
The cultists have also been saying that the Ahmadi representative lied when he said that the Ahmadiyya Muslim Community does not hold that all non-Ahmadis are disbelievers in Islam. On the contrary, the representative was absolutely correct in what he said and evidence of this can be viewed in my earlier post ”The Status of One Who Denies the Imam al-Mahdi.”
Their final allegation is about Ahmadis creating an Islamiphobic stereotype of non-Ahmadi Muslims in which Ahmadi Muslims systematically refer to them as Mullahs or terrorists. Firstly, I have never once, in my entire life, heard a single Ahmadi Muslim refer to non-Ahmadi Muslims as terrorists. In fact, I have observed Ahmadi Muslims consistently telling the public and media that terrorists and terrorism can in no way be associated with the average Muslim and Islam. Furthermore, whenever I have observed an Ahmadi use the term ”Mullahs,” it was with reference to the minority of violent driven non-Ahmadi Muslims who have themselves proven to be as much of a danger to non-Ahmadi Muslims as they have to Ahmadi Muslims.
There are also a couple of other points which I would like to bring up regarding points that the non-Ahmadi representative fudged. He himself avoided the presenter’s question about whether or not non-Ahmadi Muslims permit marriage to Ahmadi Muslims. Following on from my post Qadiani Marriages, it is obvious why he would avoid such a question. Secondly, his statement that Ahmadis have nothing to do with the wider Muslim community is completely outrageous! He said that as if the world Muslim League and specific supposedly ”Islamic” countries have not taken systematic and consistent steps to outcast Ahmadi Muslims. Finally, was it just me or did the non-Ahmadi guest, someone who represents a group that accuses Ahmadis as being the lemmings of Israel (with no base), sided with the Israeli government against the Palestinians in stating that Israel has the: ”…right to determin who is a Jewish citizen.” At best he very naively made a sweeping statement about a very complicated and emotional subject.
In conclusion, I would like to offer the cultists some simple advise. You utterly failed in the Al-Jazeera Programme because you were far too petty, inconsistent and questionable. On a human rights level you will always have no leg to stand on as it is pure fact that Ahmadi Muslims have, and continue to be, persecuted. All of this freedom of speech and authoritarian nonsence is far too petty and cannot be substantiated. You should have simply focused on the absolute core issues (i.e., Finality of Prophethood and the Death of Hadrat Jesus (as)). Your arguments would still have been somewhat questionable, but at least you would have been taken seriously.